Allahu Akbar. Wallah, I will never leave you...
Another email and response:
Hello Chelsey,
I believe you are happier because you have removed sin from your life (drunkendness, lying, sexual immorality etc.). I don't doubt that some of the practices of Islam helped you do that. However, that does not mean it is the truth sent down from God. The standard for that is a lot higher.
You recited the Shahada and in it the last part is about Muhammad. You say you don't worship Muhammad but in reality according to Islam Muhammad is necessary for your salvation. You don't have that for any other prophet. Only Muhammad. Why is that?
I quoted and gave you sources from authentic Hadith showing Muhammad doing some very troubling things such as slavery, having sex with his slaves, having more sexual partners than anyone else and all was allowed for him by Allah. I asked you to look into your own heart and see if you felt that was from God. Chelsey, you did not have any answers.
1.Sahih Muslim 3432—Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i.e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
2. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
"Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said,"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices,
what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said,
"Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it.
No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence
Jesus died for us. What did Muhammad do for us? What sacrifices he made?
OK Chelsey, I am not really looking for written answers, those are things for you think about. Chelsey I want to issue you a challenge. If I prove to you that Jesus is God would you be willing to abandon Islam and follow Him?
My response:
Drunkenness? Haha Like I had stated in the first email I did not party anymore than a student in college. Sexual immortality? Well I was married, so Im not sure where that comment came from.
Islam is the truth for me sir. Regardless if you believe it to be so, this is my truth, the only truth. How can you so easily believe in a book that isnt even offered in its original form? How can you believe fully a text that was translated and translated? Many Christian scholars will admit to the Bibles alterations and "enhancements" Why do you not study your books history?
The difference is I believe a book that was sent by God and is preserved in its original form. Every Arabic Quran you pick up will be EXACTLY the same. This is not the case for the Bible.
You debate me as if my mind will change. You talk to me as if to "diagnose" me for how I "really" feel. Your assumptions are a bit insulting to say the least, but I can see your ignorance in regards to my faith, so I wont bother with that too much.
Ive been studying my faith everyday for the past 2 years. Like Ive said before, I was an Atheist, so to believe that I merely converted to a faith on false reasoning is, well, also a bit insulting.
You sent me hadith that you do not understand. You have not cared to ask a Muslim Sheik or Imam, I am sure you havent even bothered to research the hadith from a Muslim perspective. First and foremost you must read and understand the Quran, without this, hadiths mean nothing. So in regards to the hadith you sent me...
In time of war who are taken as POW? Even today in the most modern of times, when soldiers go overseas and encounter woman, what happens?
Now Islam is not set up for "ideology" but reality. So Allah swt has set perimeters to what is good, and for what is bad. Slaves are to be taken by the BELIEVERS. Why the believers? Because the believers are people of God, people who are taught to be good and do good deeds in the name of God. Unlike most "salves" or pow "slaves" who are not given respect at all, especially in times of war, and this is what this hadith is referring to, but in Islam "slaves" have rights.
Female "slaves" are brought into the home, fed, taken care of, given clothing. Their children are taken care of as well. This in most cases happen when the woman's husband has been killed in war. These woman are being treated in such a way that they almost become like wives. Most people in the west, especially who study Islam focus in on vocabulary. We have to remember that for every Arabic word, their may be 5 different translations (Arabic being one of the largest languages)
So, in fact these woman were treated fairly and just. Female slaves were able to work themselves up to freedom and marriage. This is a historical Islamic fact. So for that, yes I do believe that this command came from Allah swt.
Rape in Islam is FORBIDDEN. Sex must be a mutual act or else it is considered a sin. Rape is punishable by death in my religion. One who rapes a captive shall receive their punishment, either by man, or by Allah almighty.
Muhammad pbbuh revealed the Quran to man. The book that holds Gods FINAL message. Muhammad was a great man. You can do researches on him all day long. He starved himself for the message of God. He was no war lord or king. They offered him a throne and he denied it. He slept on the hard floor and didnt eat for days so he could provide others with sustenance. He fought for God, for man. We do not worship Muhammad pbbuh. We respect him and love him for his contributions and courage in the fight for God. In Islam we are taught to learn and understand our faith through the Quran. We are also taught within the Quran that Allahs prophets are men of God and we should follow their actions. For this we are told to follow the hadiths as they are retellings of Muhammads life through the words of his companions. Much like your Gospels.
In our declaration of faith (shahada) we recite that Muhammad is the final prophet, not that he is God, but a messenger of God. We say this because it is an important part of our faith to not only take on God as our creator, but to recognize Muhammad as the final prophet of God who spoke the messages of God to his people. We have the up most respect and love for all of the prophets, Muhammad just happened to be the one chosen by Allah to send the final message, the message of submission to God, in definition "Islam"
Im not looking to be changed, as you can see Allah swt has blessed me with the full understanding and acceptance of Islam, Allah swt message to man. I swear by God that I will never abandon the faith of God to satisfy the ego of man. I am saved by Allah and Allah alone. Allahu Akbar.
Salaam,
Chelsey
Hello Chelsey,
I believe you are happier because you have removed sin from your life (drunkendness, lying, sexual immorality etc.). I don't doubt that some of the practices of Islam helped you do that. However, that does not mean it is the truth sent down from God. The standard for that is a lot higher.
You recited the Shahada and in it the last part is about Muhammad. You say you don't worship Muhammad but in reality according to Islam Muhammad is necessary for your salvation. You don't have that for any other prophet. Only Muhammad. Why is that?
I quoted and gave you sources from authentic Hadith showing Muhammad doing some very troubling things such as slavery, having sex with his slaves, having more sexual partners than anyone else and all was allowed for him by Allah. I asked you to look into your own heart and see if you felt that was from God. Chelsey, you did not have any answers.
1.Sahih Muslim 3432—Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i.e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
2. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
"Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said,"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices,
what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said,
"Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it.
No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence
Jesus died for us. What did Muhammad do for us? What sacrifices he made?
OK Chelsey, I am not really looking for written answers, those are things for you think about. Chelsey I want to issue you a challenge. If I prove to you that Jesus is God would you be willing to abandon Islam and follow Him?
My response:
Drunkenness? Haha Like I had stated in the first email I did not party anymore than a student in college. Sexual immortality? Well I was married, so Im not sure where that comment came from.
Islam is the truth for me sir. Regardless if you believe it to be so, this is my truth, the only truth. How can you so easily believe in a book that isnt even offered in its original form? How can you believe fully a text that was translated and translated? Many Christian scholars will admit to the Bibles alterations and "enhancements" Why do you not study your books history?
The difference is I believe a book that was sent by God and is preserved in its original form. Every Arabic Quran you pick up will be EXACTLY the same. This is not the case for the Bible.
You debate me as if my mind will change. You talk to me as if to "diagnose" me for how I "really" feel. Your assumptions are a bit insulting to say the least, but I can see your ignorance in regards to my faith, so I wont bother with that too much.
Ive been studying my faith everyday for the past 2 years. Like Ive said before, I was an Atheist, so to believe that I merely converted to a faith on false reasoning is, well, also a bit insulting.
You sent me hadith that you do not understand. You have not cared to ask a Muslim Sheik or Imam, I am sure you havent even bothered to research the hadith from a Muslim perspective. First and foremost you must read and understand the Quran, without this, hadiths mean nothing. So in regards to the hadith you sent me...
In time of war who are taken as POW? Even today in the most modern of times, when soldiers go overseas and encounter woman, what happens?
Now Islam is not set up for "ideology" but reality. So Allah swt has set perimeters to what is good, and for what is bad. Slaves are to be taken by the BELIEVERS. Why the believers? Because the believers are people of God, people who are taught to be good and do good deeds in the name of God. Unlike most "salves" or pow "slaves" who are not given respect at all, especially in times of war, and this is what this hadith is referring to, but in Islam "slaves" have rights.
Female "slaves" are brought into the home, fed, taken care of, given clothing. Their children are taken care of as well. This in most cases happen when the woman's husband has been killed in war. These woman are being treated in such a way that they almost become like wives. Most people in the west, especially who study Islam focus in on vocabulary. We have to remember that for every Arabic word, their may be 5 different translations (Arabic being one of the largest languages)
So, in fact these woman were treated fairly and just. Female slaves were able to work themselves up to freedom and marriage. This is a historical Islamic fact. So for that, yes I do believe that this command came from Allah swt.
Rape in Islam is FORBIDDEN. Sex must be a mutual act or else it is considered a sin. Rape is punishable by death in my religion. One who rapes a captive shall receive their punishment, either by man, or by Allah almighty.
Muhammad pbbuh revealed the Quran to man. The book that holds Gods FINAL message. Muhammad was a great man. You can do researches on him all day long. He starved himself for the message of God. He was no war lord or king. They offered him a throne and he denied it. He slept on the hard floor and didnt eat for days so he could provide others with sustenance. He fought for God, for man. We do not worship Muhammad pbbuh. We respect him and love him for his contributions and courage in the fight for God. In Islam we are taught to learn and understand our faith through the Quran. We are also taught within the Quran that Allahs prophets are men of God and we should follow their actions. For this we are told to follow the hadiths as they are retellings of Muhammads life through the words of his companions. Much like your Gospels.
In our declaration of faith (shahada) we recite that Muhammad is the final prophet, not that he is God, but a messenger of God. We say this because it is an important part of our faith to not only take on God as our creator, but to recognize Muhammad as the final prophet of God who spoke the messages of God to his people. We have the up most respect and love for all of the prophets, Muhammad just happened to be the one chosen by Allah to send the final message, the message of submission to God, in definition "Islam"
Im not looking to be changed, as you can see Allah swt has blessed me with the full understanding and acceptance of Islam, Allah swt message to man. I swear by God that I will never abandon the faith of God to satisfy the ego of man. I am saved by Allah and Allah alone. Allahu Akbar.
Salaam,
Chelsey
Asalam waliykum sis,
ReplyDeleteMashallah on a wonderful response. Really respect you on your approach to this "person".
I would just like to add that, we love Muhammed SAW and his family and the Sahaba sooo much because without their struggle, sacrifice and dying for the sake of Allah... We would not know what islam is today. That is why when i read about the Prophet SAW, like in the sealed nectar; I cry. This Man risked all in order to complete our faith/deen. Yet today we see people cry over pop idol.... what did they do for you? Lead you further away from God? Take up your time? Become money driven and greedy? And we shed tears over who leaves pop idol, who did not become Americas next top model?? What is this insanity. The people who deserve our respect and tears more then anyone are the ones who sacrificed their lives... dedicated their lives to making sure WE knew Islam. Without them... we would be lost in disbelief and doomed.
MashaAllah Chelsey!!
ReplyDeleteim a scholar in islamic theology and traditions and i dont think i could have given a better answer. you've left me speechless, your love for Allah and the prophet Muhammad salallahu alaihi wasallam is soo sincere and pure, you've touched my heart.
May Allah keep you smiling, take away all sadnessand troubles from your life and grant you the best of both worlds. xxx
MashAllah sister!!
ReplyDeleteYou're words were amazing, such a wonderful response. I just love seeing the love for Islam expressed! As a fellow revert its a feeling like no other knowing you've finally found the holy truth! :) Allahu Akbar!
Mashallah!! The questioner is an idiot anyway. Jesus NEVER claimed to be God, nor divinity and there is NO concept of trinity in the already reconfigured bible. When Christians get on my nerves I reply, "I worship the God, Jesus worshipped' whether it was 'the Father' or not, it was Allah, The Father, creator, saviour of ALL nations. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God, but was not God. This man is a primary example of who the Quran speaks of "those that have been led astray' so astray they no longer are even near God, rather they associate partners with God and claim that it will bring them nearer. The questioner clearly hasn't researched into Islam...or even his own bible!!! But Ima let God question him on that....AllahuAkbar- fellow convert- From Christianity itself (read and studied the bible) to Islam Alhamdulilah!
ReplyDeleteSalam Alaikum,
ReplyDeleteWow best response from a sister I have ever seen! MashAllah . You know Islam inside and out, and this man trying to tell you what your religion is , he sure was in for a surprise!
I feel most of us need to read the Qur-an ourselves and Ahdaith so we can know what to say and know our own Deen (It is an obligation for every Muslim to acquire knowledge about his/her Deen), instead of people feeding us falsehood, we can smile and reply withy the Truth.
May Allah reward you , ❤️